HP Goblet of Fire Headcanon: Beauxbatons was primarily a Muslim wizarding school.

(photo from livesandliesofwizards, which was the first thing I thought of when I ran into this passage while rereading the Harry Potter books)

(and yes I know the horses drink whisky, which is not exactly halal, sshhh)

Except magic is haram in Islam…. -_-

Yeah, in Christianity as well. That’s why hardcore Christians tried to get the book banned, but you still see them celebrating Christmas/Easter in the books.

Besides, I totally adore this headcannon because in Islam we’re required to believe that magic is real, and the reason it’s forbidden is because you’re seeking the assistance of evil spirits and jinn to do bad things. Like it’s never used for good things, ya know? They’re never summoning a jinni to repare your glasses n shit. So like magic in the Harry Potter sense, I feel, could be reconciled with Islam. Like this is turning into a huge headcannon for me,

Like what if in the HP world which involves Islam, the reason magic is haraam is because you’re enslaving jinn? (Islam requires that we believe they exist but doesn’t state that they’re inherently evil, there are Muslim jinn as well)

so like what if there are jinn students as well

and jinn professors

and jinn students actually visit from Beauxbatons but no one can see them unless they wanna be seen

and they prank the shit out of Fred and George, and as the year goes on greater and greater pranks happen and Fred and George are furious that they’re being outshone by Beauxbatons students! And they keep thinking it’s the girls cause no one told them about the jinn students, 

and eventually they reveal themselves to Fred and George when they’re about to leave, and then the boys and the two jinn girls keep in correspondence over prank ideas



let’s say

Bill isn’t the only Weasley marrying a Beauxbatons girl 

aaahhhh a few things!
1. I’m not sure about the rest of the world, but Muslim magic is totally a thing. In Malaysia you have bomoh and pawang, which are Muslim shamans – Islamic verses make up a lot of their spellwork. In Bangladesh my family would visit this holy man who would pray over our pencils for good luck in exams, not that far from enchantments, it was hinted that he was magic in other ways too. And there’s all these superstitions and folklore that have come through and are still around – from orang bunian to “tie a knot in your shirt to find a lost item” to “pinch someone wearing something for the first time” to all sorts of things. Jinns weren’t even the end of it.
2. What if what the Western world were calling veela were really jiin? Or what if Peeves was really a jinn?
3. There are canon Muslim (or Muslim-plausible) characters in the Potterverse. Hassan Mostafa, the referee for the Quidditch World Cup. Ali Bashir, poor bloke trying to sell flying carpets. And the mysterious Shafiq family in the Sacred Twenty-Eight list. And that’s just the ones with names that hint to their ethnicity or religion: you don’t need an Arab-sounding name to be Muslim. A lot of people in my family have names from all over the place, and they’re primarily Muslim.
4. paging




Um. I’m not Muslim so if any of the info I do have is wrong feel free to punch me in the face and correct me, but according to my friend from Archaeology who is Muslim, and from Syria as I recall, the separation between magic etc in Islam runs that miracles are something God/Allah may grant an ability to perform to his prophets. That is permissible magic because it is not magic it is the God-given ability to perform a miracle. Then there’s Black Magic, which is done by communing with jinn and this is the magic which is banned.

There flat isn’t a magic which is comparable to HP magic, so I suppose (I could easily be wrong, as I have said, I am not Muslim) it could be argued that the magic of the Potterverse is permissible for Muslim individuals to use because it could be read as a God-given gift – because wixes are born with their magic. It is not God/Allah giving them the ability to perform one supernatural miracle, or them asking jinn to help them perform magic, its an innate ability, and so could be argued to be a gift they were given when God/Allah moulded them in the womb. 

I mean I might even go so far as to argue that perhaps Muslim wixes wouldn’t reject Squibs so immediately as other wixen groups, because a Squib individual, shaped by God/Allah in the womb, was not given magic, for whatever reason, and perhaps they are important in some way because of that?

I don’t know, and also as I’ve said already, I am not Muslim. Do punch me and correct me if I am wrong anywhere.

Though I will say now “River Genies“ are canonical as of the Quidditch World Cup update on Pottermore and I did a post on Jinn on the monsterblog (with the immense aid of the wonderful petrichorlore) which looks at how they might exist within the Potterverse. That post can be found here.

But yeah. My knowledge of Islam is all secondhand, from schooling, from fellow archaeology students and from brilliant bloggers like petrichorlore, so if at any point I have misunderstood or misrepresented something: Punch me and correct me. Or don’t punch me. Do correct me though. I live to learn.

(Also there is a fic, um, Thou Shalt Not Suffer, which looks into fundamentalist Christian views on Potterverse magic, its a very good read and in the penultimate chapter looks at why magic and what types of magic are banned under the word of the Bible. Baseline HP magic is fine, provided it is not used to hurt others, and certain types of Divination – Necromancy, lots, through watching nature – and enchanting – apparently where linked to snakes – are forbidden. That’s it. Christian wise, if you go back to the Hebrew, Potterverse magic is a-ok provided you don’t hurt people with your magic, summon the dead, or play with snakes.)

Hope this helped?

Hi and yes, this is very cool and very informative and as far as I know largely correct. I can say that what I’ve learned tells me that HP magic doesn’t have any real world parallels with what Muslims believe in. 

I do feel a little weird calling miracles and God-given gifts ‘magic’, because of the connotation the word has, but that’s pretty accurate. There are saints who have supernatural abilities, that overrides the normal cause-and-effect flow of life, and that is (like everything) from God. Three important aspects of our belief:

  • What is Necessary: i.e. a power that makes things be. you can call that power(s) anything you want, but things do not spontaneously pop into existence
  • What is Possible: i.e. a dragon. if you can envision it, it is possible
  • What is Impossible: i.e. a square circle. if you can’t envision it, it is impossible.

And since you can clearly envision the magic of the HP universe, it makes it a possible thing, as in, in it could plausibly exist if God wanted it to. In fact, one of our scholars has said that all things imaginable exist, just perhaps not in our world.

notyourexrotic is right, magic is impermissible in Islam because to have those abilities (commonly known as black magic), a person must do awful and/or evil things, and the cause is only awful and/or evil (possession, harm, abuse, etc). as hp magic is not like magic in Islam, it would not be impermissible if it did exist. it’s just an ability, like speech.

and as @sideeffectsincludenausea said, there are what i can only translate as ‘everyday charms’ that muslims take part in. reading certain chapters of the Quran to remember where you last left an item, or to remember something your mind is blanking on. prayers for protection, leaving the house, entering and exiting the bathroom, looking in a mirror, that I, at least, firmly believe in and absolutely do have an effect on me/my life. things like that, that non-Muslims would call magic.

My little fic Imagine A Muslim Witch’s companion piece Why Aren’t There More Wizarding Muslims is an exploration of the fact that Muslims would be those ‘Muggles’ most wix don’t think are actually Muggles, because of our religious beliefs. 

You know. Hypothetically. If the HP Universe was real.

I can’t comment on the main point of this post because I’m not Muslim and don’t know enough about Islam, and also I haven’t ingested nearly enough coffee yet, but re: "it could be argued that the magic of the Potterverse is permissible for Muslim individuals to use because it could be read as a God-given gift – because wixes are born with their magic. It is not God/Allah giving them the ability to perform one supernatural miracle, or them asking jinn to help them perform magic, its an innate ability, and so could be argued to be a gift they were given when God/Allah moulded them in the womb." That’s actually one of the oldest Christian pro-HP arguments. It has also been argued (most recently in these videos, I think in the first or second,) that magic is forbidden in the Bible because in the real world, magic is only and ever a) the sin of pride b) manifesting itself through calling on demons.

And as a side note, the (largely Protestant) Christians who hate HP frequently depend on a literalistic reading of the Bible and the twin unfortunate idea that fantasy is unacceptable unless it’s allegorical and a book can’t have, show, or talk about morally problematic things without being/championing morally problematic things. (Abanes’ book Harry Potter and the Bible is an example, as I remember.) There are also Catholics who fall into the latter trap but it’s rarer (in my experience.)

Query to petrichorlore: I wonder if the “everyday magic” you describe would be more akin to superstition from a secular point of view? Like throwing salt over your left shoulder or something? With the possible exception of reciting the Quran to find lost things; that’s invoking something holy to a good end; loosely analogously, Catholics ask St. Anthony to help them find misplaced items, but that’s not “magic,” it’s a personal devotion that’s part of one’s prayer life. 

Final thought: the HP universe isn’t really our world, even in the muggle parts. It’s a mythological universe where events, like Christmas, that have a “broadly cultural” significance as well as a central religious one are still celebrated, but all the “magical” things that exist/are possible—ghosts, jinn, seeing the future in tea leaves, whatever—exist outside of the spiritual reality essential to them in the real world. (So, you don’t have to call on a demon to summon a ghost, it’s just kind of there and talks to you; divination is a gift given to Professor Trelawney that she doesn’t even know she has, when it comes to the  comes to the real visions; and magical creatures like centaurs, as all the magic in general, are “natural” to the environment.

This reminds me of another post that went around, about Jewish wizards, which was really interesting and got me thinking about Catholic wizards, but I really haven’t had enough coffee to go down that rabbit hole yet.

Really like the comment about how it is a whole other world. I went on a mission trip with a guy who refuses to read the books or watch the movies because they are “Satanic.” I seriously tried to explain all the good themes in it because after all, is that not the most important part of any book? If it stands for good over evil and the importance of family and friendship, how can you say it is a bad book because of the means used to convey the theme? He just ended the conversation with, “I don’t think people who like it are bad people, but I will never read it.” 

Reblogging for conversation (thank you for bringing up the whole “the Potterverse isn’t really analogous to RL” argument) and expressing dismay that some of the reblogs (not the ones in this chain) were made by White Supremacist facist types. gaaah go away

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